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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:30:20 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Is this bannable now? In the fanfest presentation I watched they said Quote:"You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the game environment or change how the game is played" and this certainly changes how the game appears and is played. I like the window management I just would like to make sure it's not illegal too. Doesn't modify the ingame client, nor does it change how the game appears or is played. Its pretty much a overlay window that the OS can provide (monitor emulation). There is no direct changes or inputs that program can provide ingame. Its a weird dance.
ISboxer uses the same software that is used here, and it was ruled in violation of 6A2 so by extension this program is in violation of the EULA as well. However, we're seeing the exact same thing occur here that happened with T20;namely, CCP priviledge in protecting someone or something that is violating the EULA. I wonder if ISBoxer was banned as a means of eliminating competition, because Team Security was grasping at straws when they said VideoFX modified the client. Pro Tip: it doesn't. It uses Aero and DWM, neither of which CCP owns or holds a controlling interest in. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.24 20:04:26 -
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I'd believe that if we didn't just have a 5-boxer who was not using any sort of broadcasting get banned. Additionally, there is no part of the EULA that talks about commands being sent to certain clients. There was a kerfluffle over the usage of a KVM switch some time ago which was ruled legal. ISBoxer is nothing more than a software-based KVM switch. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.10 20:33:18 -
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6. CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.12 13:16:01 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Please keep the discussion on topic. The legitimacy of this software has already been discussed and doesn't need to be again. Assuming the functionality of the software doesn't change, it is allowed in its current state. It specifically violates 6A2, client modification. Is CCP going down the path of T20 where "anything we do is ok" is allowed again? This is a very serious issue for CCP after they just banned a 5-boxer who was not using broadcasting tools from ISBoxer to play. If the player was using EVE-O Preview, can you honestly say without a shadow of a doubt that he would have been banned? |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.12 20:20:41 -
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1) If making VideoFX windows was indeed banned, CCP would be attempting to police the usage of your operating system and it's features as VideoFX utilizes Windows Aero to function. 2) There is no part of the speech that targets VideoFX. 3) 6A2 is very specific in it's wording. Any modification. 4) You can already move stuff around on your UI / HUD, and you can resize your .exe window any way you want. 5) CCP cannot selectively enforce their EULA for program X over program Y without harking back to the days of T20. Nobody wants that. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.13 12:22:59 -
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Makari Aeron wrote:OK So here's the deal. EVE O Preview does NOT send any commends of any kind to the EVE client. It only uses Windows commands to make the EVE window the active window. It can resize the client window and re-position it which CCP said was perfectly fine. It doesn't need to send commands if it arguably violates 6A2 as we're getting banned for nothing already. e: And ISBoxer uses OS-Level commands as well. You're presenting the exact same arguments defending EVE-O Preview that I used or am using to defend ISBoxer. Let that sink in. |
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